This is the final answer about design problem. Then I'm done.
You know what, let users speak for themselves, so far no complaints.
Really? In dictatorships you won't ever get complains and you know that - you're lying to yourself that you really care about others - just as you lied that you don't respect insults - at the same time you were supporting insulting posts and insulting players. Just hackers and cheaters were your only enemies.
So you wouldn't care what people say about version - and when they say - "no please, please don't change" - you will change anyway saying that it's the only way because of this, because of that.
Obviously, you will change anyway - as it always was. Doing things without consulting anybody. So stop that good uncle Zi BS. Users are not that dumb to dismiss that. The problem is they won't speak out because of many reasons. One of them is ignorance and lack of motivation.
1. You talk about "back to old design" being on bottom, you know what? "Would you like to try new design?" is also at bottom, apparently if users find that one, they are gona find "back to old design" too. And design switch being on bottom page is a normal thing if you look any other website with multiple versions for accessibility. It's always in footer.
You're comparing "would you like to a try" which was very visible overlayed thing to a simple link on left ? Well ok. Looks like you're fooling yourself that this is the same. Doesn't matter though.
I was talking about different things. Permanent switch links for the future.
But you were planning to force new anyway (I knew for months about it - I knew it's coming) - So your "testing" tric is just for fun - you're just curious if people maybe say "no" but you also know that nobody really cares so much to start a discussion about website - mostely becuase they come and go - so you will push it no matter what. And this was my point.
2. 10GB will be almost free to use - yeah, according that most of users are from eastern Europe, that sounds totally real
Sure you know the future of price of internet in easter Europe. Of course it will be almost for free soon the same as 5G will be everywhere and 1000 times cheaper than modem connection was in 90's - and don't think it's a present from Santa Claus. I told you why things are being given for free and making money on them is not that important. You see - it's not only the money you pay for services. But you ignore that - so forget about this subject and keep dreaming fair business fantasy.
Anyway you can be sure 10GB won't be a problem for anybody, anywhere soon. Permament access to internet via smarphones will be a default soon, and limits will be gone. Just wait 2-3 years.
But it doesn't matter.
3. Old version on phone was unusable without zooming-in
Yes some parts of it maybe were harder to see (look I'm using Crysis1.com on 6 inch screen and It's usable perfectly - just a bit small in vertical position), So functions were still readable and clickable just smaller.
BTW I would prepare more proper version of old version of CryMP.Net during this summer - but for during
last months I couldn't even watch this website on smartphones - couldn't tell what needs to be adjusted fix. Couldn't even test it because I didn't wan to mess with forcing simple version back and forth - for android all the time. So I need to take your word on "old version on phone was unusable without zoming" - Besides I never said this HAS to be the only version - What I was saying it's good enough version and if somebody wants 100% smarphone version he would be able to switch.
But it was you who has said - there will be no switch - just one version for smatphones and who cares about PC version anymore, right ?
But it doesn't matter.
4. Most of new users are relatively young, old design looks old to them
Load of BS here again. Looking "Old" is a joke. Your version doesn't look more new. It just looks "for smatphones only" and facebook-like in terms of simplicity. Do you think FB or YT are asking users which version they like.
I remember when YT was changing 6 years ago and custom graphics and layouts were disabled - everybody was against that. Thousands of people were signing the petition. And what happened ? YT forced new crappy version anyway. But you know what happened next ? Everybody got used to that - so now nobody is complaing. Pure psychology on enslaved community.
This is exactly what you're doing, and obviously soon nobody will complain. Everybody will be happy and thanful. People can get use to anything, especially when they have no choice. So stop playing a good uncle here. You're forcing your version anyway. So just admit that to yourself.
But it doesn't matter.
5. In old design, it was unclear where to click to download client, only 3% of all unique visitors over 3 years made it to /dlland.php page
Wait. So because of lack of "in the face" download button you needed to change whole website - instead of just changing Welcome page ? You could just put new START page with download button for both old and new versions and no problem -
Besides, CryMP.Net website is not like only for downloading - it's
about the network with direct instructions how to play and how to install the client - so I don't know if "download client before entering website" is an excuse.
But it doesn't matter anyway.
6. This version has full working Server list, Messaging, Forum, Help, only thing missing and soon to be added it Profile editing
I know that. This is why you will force it soon, you've already made it the "current" version in your mind - I know you very well in that matter - no meaning what people say or think (because most of them won't say what they think) - you would force new version ANYWAY. I'm 100% sure of that. This is why I was talking about leaving at least the choice for users who care about the old - full one.
7. There is much less visual spam in this version, it's clear how to navigate
Load of BS again. Really. Visual spam ? easier to navigete ? It's not easier at all - maybe for a programmer. I was making websites since 1998 and I remember how websites were looking that time. It was just text and tables, one icon and two pictures to make it look nicer - then it became more complexed and nice to watch, Flash was new but badly optimized - so then it went away and again everything was well optimized but nice looking - first smartphones made it look dumb and simple again (I know directly from my job works - websites started to look simple and much worse than 10 year ago) - but still design was something that matters - and guess what, 21 year later - after 1998 you are degrading it again to less "visual spam" as you call it - which soon will become 1998 version probably.
Soon it will be just text on white - just like your "Tvare" website was in 2014. And nobody will complain - because it will be "new" and as soon people get use to that - the only version in their minds. Always works like that. Otherwise nobody would use FB.
Old design of CryMP.Net is optimized pretty well for todays PCs. But anyway.
It doesn't matter.
8. Really, let users decide, they are those who use it and know their best after all
Load of BS again. You won't let users decide. You will bring new version and design ANYWAY. I know you. It's just a trick as always - because you've already started to work deeply on new version, changes in the core towards it, already promoted it probably somewhere as NEW version which is coming no matter what people think or say.
So stop selling propaganda that it's for users. It's just because of your point of view on things not for young users, cheap phones and eastern Europe. Just admit that and at lieast this will be fair.
I just wanted to leave option for the old version since it was well styled and prepared for 2020 not for 1998. But it's ok. We won't agree on the final solution. At least I wanted to be fair and keep both. You're against that. Cool.
Don't tell me I didn't give a chance the new design. I never said that. I just said it shouldn't be the only version. And that choice should always be there. Not just during alleged "testing" period.
And YES - I know that you have to do twice some things for two websites/versions - It's probably very time-consuming especially when you do changes for a few days in a row only once every 1 year - so now you would need extra 15 minutes every year to apply changes of things visible on old version also to old version. Too much work right? Have you asked how much work took styling the old version month after month, after adding new functions, styling again - which is being dumped to trash soon? much more than 15 minutes a year. So if you talk about time that needs to be put in something as an excuse for dropping original version - try to be fair.
But it doesn't matter.
Do what you want. Who cares what I say. From now on, new technology means websites with text only. And I can't do anything about that. Regression is the future.
I won't break the wall. Good luck.
I've got no time for debates anymore - debates where I always let you apply what you want and if I disagree on something, and you pretend you agree with me - l always feel that you're just faking that agreement - and I'm always right because - I see you going back to that subject and your type of options months and months later anyway. Like we were never talking about that before. Besides during that period you're probably talking behind the back again "Freebo is aganst but I will do it anyway, because it's good for humanity" and BS like that.
That's fine. Nothing new. Was always like that.
So why would I bother share any arguments and points of view. If you're stuck on something even if it's not a good idea, even if there are more people besides me against that - you don't care too much care after all.
Even though I agree with you about some points of new version - let's say 50% - You still want to force 100% of your idea and forget about original design forever. Fine.
But at least unlike you - I was proposing some compromise. That shows who you are.
So do what you want. I will not watch website switching to something that looks bad to me. I simply won't enter that so you need to keep eye on things from now on.
And YES most of people don't care about the look. Most of people is using FB - they don't even know that better look order and navigation can even exist. They got used to that as always.
I remmeber your first version of "tvare" website with server list in 2014. You didn't care it was text-simple. Most people don't care. So I guess this means "let's make it as ugly as possible" and hide extra options for smarphones.
I will have to work just on own stuff in this case. So don't bother asking me for any advice from now on. Because every time I gave the advice - few months later you did almost the opposite.
I'm tired of fighting with sabotage and destruction from inside. No wonder Youda had enough of that already 1,5 year ago. Sabotaging private events, sabotaging forum by rejecting about easy to apply automatic moderation mechanism against insults. It all made it worse. But that's ok. Who cares anyway.
So it's fine. I'm really tired of that "trying hard" for sure.
Do what you want. I'm out.
Won't be watching this website anymore. I don't want to watch it being destroyed visually and simplified.
I won't bother you also. It won't work anyway. You just don't care about any suggestions.
Relax and have a nice work. Luckily servers can be checked via other ways. Especially when it's on in-game list. I'm going to miss the old website though. But I'm the only one who can talk about that. So I'm leaving it the way it's going to become.
You're on your own with the design.
Bye
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